The current state of the world makes me believe, God has really messed up or may be it is the earlier god recruited a wrong person as a successor. Violence is rampant, people kill each other for no reason, there is mad rush for money, there is rape, corruption and so many other evils (unending list).......
To top it to wash your sins you need money as God needs you to offer prayers which costs. So poor who do not have meals to eat can just not do anything to wash their sins, they have to suffer....
Nietzsche's said in Thus Spoke Zarathustra
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
u r in a big illusion my friend.first know the maning of god then speak about him n forget of become GOD.GOD IS GOD AND DOG IS DOG.try to become a servant of god n not the master
ReplyDeleteHelp me dispel the illusion so what is the meaning of God as per you?
ReplyDeleteI prefer to become a master one day !
u hav no controll over ur own body ,ur own life .what ull controll the world .pain in ur body u hav to rush to doctor.u r dependent in all respect.not only u all or dependent on some one else .god is by defination"mattah paratram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya"."supremly independent,no truth superior to him".u r bound by birth ,death ,oldage n disease.bound by ur karmas .dont be in a fantasy world n except u r dependent,bound,subordinate n a servant of evrything around u.face the reality
ReplyDeleten god doesnot need ur money to wash of ur sin.sorry buddy u hav all the wrong notions in life.what he wants is ur love."patram pushpam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati
ReplyDeletetad aham bhakty-upahrtam asnami pryatatmanah"— The Bhagawad Gita chapter 9: verse 26
"Offer me a flower or fruit or a little water even a leaf will do
With love in your heart"
this u can get any were for free of cost.
Hmmm... So God does not need money definitely and but that's not what the general public believes they do expensive Yagnas/ poojas or offer prasad which a poor man can.. so god of their creation is one requiring money.. thats what I meant...
ReplyDeleteI may be bound by Karmas but there is a way to get free of it Geeta teaches it, so did Buddha and many others.. i am talking about that when I am talking of becoming a master....
I know the reality I am planning my next move...
The whole gita teaches about saranagati(surrender).after hearing gita arjuna didnot become master of everyone or for that matter master of lord krishna.he remainded servant of lord krishna and followed his instrustions.when u say gita teaches it or lord buddha n many others so quoting them means u following them n followers r not masters.the day u invent(which is not possible)a process to free ur self n actually attain perfection following it then u claim to be master not otherwise.
ReplyDeleteat the most a person can become is master of his senses nothing more then that.but in totality thata is not very imp.visvsmitra thought he became master of his senses but one menka came n his tapasya of thousand yrs became useless.same with ravana,kansa etc n all those so called masters.better to be always a child n a servant of god.just like the child has no power of his own but is the most carefree,tensionfree n power person cause he is always peotected by his parents.similarly s long s we r servants n remain a child of god we r always protected.
Lord krishna says:
kshipram bhavati dharmatma
sasvac-chantim nigacchati
kaunteya pratijanihi
na me bhaktah pranasyati
O son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes.(gita 9.31)
TEXT 18.66
sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah
Abandon all varieties of religion of the body, mind, and intellect and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.
SO PLAN UR NEXT MOVE UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE SUPREME LORD n not independenly been carried away on the chariot of ur mind(i.e by mental speculation).
well there are many paths... The text you quote are nothing but in a way blogs of that age.. the Arjuna and Krishna dialogue are like yours and my dialogue... could be of more evolved humans but nevertheless... I am walking my path, visvamitra slipped because he was not perfect or master yet once he is a master no meneka can bother him... Siddhartha Gautam became a buddha after being married and living a life of prince...
ReplyDeleteMy path is of experience don't believe in someone sitting above in heaven taking guidance of yesteryear blogs but my own experience and not just believing in blogs or intellectuality analyzing those ...
if God was there the rapists, the murderers, the corrupt politicians would not have survived in this world.. He does not exist except in intellectual blogs or story books of that age like mahabharata, ramayana, etc
1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
ReplyDelete2.Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it
3.Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?
4.Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.
All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!
Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.
Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.
Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.
5.Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
ReplyDelete6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Lord Krishna is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.
7.By unwavering mathematical law we can prove that our universe was designed and executed by a great engineering intelligence.
8. The resourcefulness of life to accomplish its purpose is a manifestation of an all-pervading Intelligence.
9. Animal wisdom speaks irresistibly of a good Creator who infused instinct into otherwise helpless little creatures.
10. Provision for all living is revealed in such phenomena as the wonders of genes.
So tiny are these genes that, if all of them responsible for all living people in the world could be put in one place, there would be less than a thimbleful. Yet these genes inhabit every living cell and are the keys to all human, animal and vegetable characteristics. A thimble is a small place to hold all the individual characteristics of almost three billion human beings. However, the facts are beyond question.
Here evolution really begins - at the cell, the entity which holds and carries the genes. That the ultra-microscopic gene can absolutely rule all life on earth is an example of profound cunning and provision that could emanate only from a Creative Intelligence; no other hypothesis will serve.
11. By the economy of nature, we are forced to realize that only infinite wisdom could have foreseen and prepared with such astute husbandry.
12. The fact that man can conceive the idea of God is in itself a unique proof
a) The "unmoved mover" argument. We know that there is motion in the world; whatever is in motion is moved by another thing; this other thing also must be moved by something; to avoid an infinite regression, we must posit a "first mover," which is God.
b) The "nothing is caused by itself" argument. For example, a table is brought into being by a carpenter, who is caused by his parents. Again, we cannot go on to infinity, so there must be a first cause, which is God.
c) The cosmological argument. All physical things, even mountains, boulders, and rivers, come into being and go out of existence, no matter how long they last. Therefore, since time is infinite, there must be some time at which none of these things existed. But if there were nothing at that point in time, how could there be anything at all now, since nothing cannot cause anything? Thus, there must always have been at least one necessary thing that is eternal, which is God.
d) The teleological argument (argument from design). Things in the world move toward goals, just as the arrow does not move toward its goal except by the archer's directing it. Thus, there must be an intelligent designer who directs all things to their goals, and this is God.
ur argument that :if God was there the rapists, the murderers, the corrupt politicians would not have survived in this world.. its like saying if sun exist the concept of darkness should not be there .baba the presence of darkness means absence of sun not nonexistance of sun.rapists, the murderers, the corrupt politicians r there because of absence of godconsciousness.
ReplyDeleteu r a MBA.n i think u became a MBA by studying from the books n following the course schedule not by ur experiencing or experimenting.u did ur studies n college also from studying n following the books n course giving by the board.had u told the board that i dont believe in following ur books n course ,there r many paths of becoming a graduate n a MBA so let me experience n experiment ,i m 100% sure u whould hav been an illiterate till now.here i m not saying that u cannot think out of the box n achieve success but i m saying to think out of the box u should know about the box.to experience in spirituality u should know what to experience n how to experience.u reach ur destination u should know from where the train leaves n in which train to sit n with the proper ticket.then once seated in the train u can experience n experiment whatever u want to but that also within the guidelines of the railway department.All trains dont take to the same station similarly all paths dont lead to the same destination.if u want to go to mumbai but sit in the train goin to madras from bangalore u will never reach ur destination.u cant say let me experience all the train on the station n i will reach my destination .this is not intelligence.u will give ur boss nightmares if u follow ur this experience philosophy in ur office.
ReplyDeleteSo you mean to say the omnipotent God means to enjoy seeing people getting raped or murdered.. Taking ur analogy of computers If I am a programmer and there is a bug I will stop that program immediately or remove that bug and not enjoy.. I create for use and not destruction..
ReplyDeleteI am an MBA but I am an efficient worker not because of the theory but because of how I am apply that through experience on a daily basis. If MBA was the only criterion to become efficient there are millions of MBA but not everyone is equally efficient as people unless is able to experience it is just a theory. And by the way Dhirubhai was not a MBA nor was Bill Gates nor is Azim Premji they are all drop outs.. They learnt through their experiences no nightmares.. The box and out of box are only your arguments which you are sold to...
On destination if I have to go to Mumbai.. there are many paths - i can go sit on a train to madras (enjoy that place) and then taken another to mumbai from there.. there will be many such permutation combinations.. thats one path, i can walk, cycle, go by car, by train, by air, those or are more paths.. even by air i have several options of airlines...
Your beliefs are strong and you are building logic to prove your believes, that's not my path as it colors my thinking, I would rather believe what I experience.. Well Happy walking to you or on ur path...
Dont want to play with words further I dont believe in God so be it, you do good for you.. I am open and if with time and experience i have different realization, i will accept but i do hope you are as well as you seem to be stuck in your beliefs